Author Topic: Keep alives in Atlas switchers  (Read 1969 times)

Big Train James

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Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« on: December 16, 2021, 04:51:55 PM »
My long dormant sw1500 project has recently been roused from its slumber, inspired by the recent acquisition of a 3d printer.  Today I'm working on cad for the fuel tank, trying to arrange things so as to fit a stay alive inside it. 

I thought it would be easy, there ought to be plenty of room in the tank.  But it appears that the larger ESU Powerpack is actually too tall to clear the motor that extends down below the bottom of the frame.  So the question is, has anybody found a solution for a keep alive in an Atlas switcher?

ESU offers a smaller Powerpack Mini, but I'm not sure if it has enough capacity for an O scale model.  Any opinion on that?  It's apparently the same height as the larger version, but is small enough in the XY that I should be able to fit it to one side or the other of the motor.

I would prefer to use the ESU product because it can be left connected while programming.  It would also keep my electronics in the same family, for what that's worth.  I'm not set on that, but I would prefer it if possible.  I've also looked at the TCS keep alives, but they don't seem to offer units sized for O scale, and it appears you have to disconnect them to program the locomotive if not paired with a TCS decoder.

I've also considered putting the keep alive underneath the cab floor, but I'm now not sure it will fit there either.  I'm open to suggestions.  The only thing I know for certain is that the keep alive cannot go above the motor in the hood, since that volume is already chock full with the decoder and Tang Band 1931S.

Jim

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2021, 05:34:37 PM »
Hey Jim! What decoder are you planning on using? My SW1200 has a V5L above the motor.  The keep alive is built into the V5L.
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Big Train James

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2021, 06:36:22 PM »
This is one of the v4's, I got it quite a while back when I was last working on this project.  I'm hoping to put it to use still, although I do recognize that the v5's have the keep alives built into the decoders now.  Maybe what I should do is switch to a v5 for this project since it's limited on space, and use the v4 for a larger project.  Didn't really think about that until just now.... ::)

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2021, 07:29:27 PM »
I have an Atlas SW9 in which I installed a V4L and the smaller Loksound keep-alive. It seems to work fine for minimizing stalling on dirty track or with dirty wheels. If I ever get around to stripping and painting that engine, I'll increase the speaker from a Tang Band 2008 to the 1925 and upgrade to a 5L.

The large PowerPack has a pair of 5 Farad caps. The 5L decoder has a pair of 1 Farad caps. The small PowerPack has a single 1 Farad cap. Sure, it won't run a loaded motor for a full 4 seconds on dead track, but a lot of trouble can happen pretty quickly.

Stick with the ESU PowerPacks. You really don't want to be opening the model every time you want to tweak a sound file or read back existing CVs. A fellow O-scaler had to unsolder a TCS unit so that we could tweak something with his LokProgrammer. The decoder got hopelessly scrambled with the TCS still connected, requiring a full reload of the sound file.

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2021, 08:58:06 PM »
Hi Bob,
All I really want the keep alive to do is get me through switch frogs and dirty track.  So I don't need it to power the loco for long periods of time.  In that case, it sounds like the Powerpack Mini will suffice.  The motor in this kitbash is from the Atlas sw8/9/1200, so it should theoretically perform in similar fashion to your sw9.

Does anybody know the wire size for the leads on the Powerpack Mini?  I'll need to come past the motor body to get from the fuel tank to the electronics platform above, and I might try to build a conduit of sorts into the mounting flanges for the new fuel tank.  As it stands, I measure just over 3 millimeters clearance between the motor and the frame.  I'm currently planning on a mounting flange of 1mm which will slide up into that 3mm space, so I have some room to up the flange to accommodate the wires if they aren't too large.

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2021, 09:11:42 PM »
I don't know the AWG but the wires are very small and stranded. They need to be stripped with a stripper set to 30 AWG. They remind me of the ultra-flexible 36 AWG stranded wire that ESU sells.

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Re: Keep alives in Atlas switchers
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2021, 09:30:54 PM »
Perfect.  I can work with that wire size.  Thanks for the info.