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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 11, 2024, 06:27:59 PM »
Back to the original topic: remotor, and including some benefits.

The effort to install a new, smaller motor in my RC GP9s comes with a benefit to increase headroom inside the shell. This afternoon I milled a TB1935 module to make it narrower, only 1.3." I narrowed it as far as I felt comfortable while holding it in a Sherline vise. It now slips easily in a new RC GP9 shell. So far so good. There are a couple of pinhole leaks in the enclosure, due to voids during injection molding, but not enough to significantly influence bass response. It does, however, now equalize changes in barometric pressure.

Soon a difficulty became apparent. The dynamic brake blister is narrower inside than the shell itself. Rut roh!

Plan A: The DB part has not been assembled, so there are two slots for the exhaust stacks that could be used to hold it in a fixture for milling. That wouldn't be too difficult but the result would be a part that loses the alignment "lip" and reduces the amount of gluing surface. A strong joint is desired because most operators will pick up the finished locomotive by the DB blisters when re-raining after an "oopsie." Stuff happens.

Plan B: After careful measurement I discovered that I had about 0.2" of clearance between the bottom of the speaker and the top of the new motor mount. Originally I planned to center the driver in the DB fan opening, with the passive radiator situated towards the back of the long hood. That wouldn't work since it would interfere with the rear drive tower. However, it can be flipped around 180 and still leave some room for wires.

Either way, I still plan for the primary weight to be Cerrobend poured into the bottom of the OEM fuel tank maybe with the fuel tank taped to the bottom of a pot filled with cold water. The new brass frame also helps.
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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 10, 2024, 02:22:08 PM »
Another 3D part, this one simplifies wiring the lighting LEDs. It offers places to glue the class light, number board and walkway LEDs. This work can be done on the work bench instead of trying to set stuff in place inside the shell. The headlight LEDs will be 3mm warm white units and mount to the headlight fixture.

The first prototype part, though needing some refinement, fit snugly in the V of the RC GP9 shell and will be easy to glue in place. Just in case, the first parts may be glued using Elmer's school rubber cement, which would make them removable


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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by david on March 07, 2024, 08:44:54 PM »
Looks great Craig. The mothership will welcome #405 with open arms.
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Member Projects / Re: Modifying Tang Band 1815/1931 modules to fit in O scale hoods
« Last post by Bob on March 07, 2024, 06:30:37 PM »
Thanks, Jim, for sharing your findings. I will soon mill a TB 1931 and test fit it in one of my GP9 shells. First I need to rebuild the mill since it has gotten loose after more than 30 years of use. Parts are on hand.
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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 07, 2024, 06:25:40 PM »
Glad to hear that, Craig! It is very encouraging for the Portescap remotors. Did you tune any motor parameters in the decoder or just run with the defaults?

And kudos for spending a few hours to show me around Fusion 360. That helped a LOT. I still find myself staring at the screen with a dumb look on my face thinking "there should be an easy way to do this..." It is a steep learning curve, and my designs are neither elegant nor optimal, but at least they are functional.
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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Craig on March 06, 2024, 08:47:07 PM »
I gotta say….i got my Portescap replacement motor in my Overland GP35 (pitman motor died a horrible death…killing it AND my decoder). Bob and I spent many a message talking about mount schemes and noise mitigation.

Anywho….got the motor in…got the new decoder mounted…lights hooked up and speaker hooked up. The new motor work like a DREAM.  At speed step 1… I estimate that the engine went 1/2” in 10 seconds.  And smoooooooooth to boot!

Can’t wait to get it to the mother ship and try it out.
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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 05, 2024, 11:55:26 PM »
I just couldn't help myself.

Once the GP9 motor mount was done, I turned my focus to P&D F3s. These will be receiving Tang Band T1-2025SC speakers mounted vertically. They have an unusual tripod mount and require space underneath the bottom passive radiator for the bass to get out. The extension to the two tripod mounts near the cab is a bit flimsy. A little bit of Elmer's school rubber cement will keep it from buzzing.

Here's the CAD. I left gaps on either side of the motor to allow heat to escape. That shouldn't be much of a problem since the coreless motor produces 1.7 times the torque per Amp compared to the Pittman 8414.



The first installation. The 4 holes on the side bars are for mounting an HO Loksound 5 decoder and a small circuit board on a slab of styrene.



Most of the sound escapes the shell through the dynamic brake intake side grills and roof exhaust grills, along with the radiator fans.


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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 04, 2024, 08:05:59 PM »
Here are a couple photos of the 3D printed parts on the brass frame. In the first photo, one of the coupler mounting pads has been pressed over the two white coupler screw bosses. It is a nice, tight fit. It took a couple iterations to get the coupler height to match that of the OEM frame.



The second photo shows layout planning for the TB 1931 speaker. There is a faint pencil line on the walkway tread indicating the center of the dynamic brake fan. The speaker will be mounted close to the roof of the shell, with the round driver firing up and out the dynamic brake fan.

In a later modification of the motor mount I added a second pair of prongs that clip to the edge of the walkway. Because these were printed as an overhang, they all need light filing to proper height. What you can't see is the third fuel tank screw hole under the motor, which has been countersunk for a flathead screw. I plan to see if I can heat Cerrobend to just past melting and use it to fill the lower half of the fuel tank without warping the styrene.



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Member Projects / Re: Red Caboose GP9 remotor
« Last post by Bob on March 03, 2024, 11:15:59 PM »
I've been 3D printing more parts for the Red Caboose GP9 builds. When substituting the now unobtanium Des Plaines Hobby brass frames for the OEM plastic ones, new coupler mounting pads need to be formed. Here is a screen snapshot from Fusion 360.


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Member Projects / Re: Modifying Tang Band 1815/1931 modules to fit in O scale hoods
« Last post by Bob on March 03, 2024, 09:57:04 PM »
Jim -

Thank you for sharing how you modified the TB speaker to fit inside the Red Caboose shell. I have a number of 1931 modules in stock and hope to follow your lead.

And welcome back to the A&O forums. We have missed you.
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